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When I joined, I just remember how overhwhelming it all was and I was just trying to think of a way to make that less so.
cupparex at 2025-12-02 16:41
ok, no problem. It was just a thought. I didn't mean just links. Like a short intro and then a link to the actual steps, but I get your point too.
cupparex at 2025-12-02 16:40
Have you looked at the page lately? Osteophage has already done a very good job of simplifying it and removing a bunch of cruft recently
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:40
So not only do I think a multipage approach like that would not help, I think it would be actively harmful for the simplest possible "get started"
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:39
Think about how annoying it is when you're reading a blog post and you get to the bottom of the page and realize oh darn I have to click 2-3 more pages?
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:38
A flat page that someone can skim and jump around to get an idea first, an overview, is much more usable / readable by default
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:37
[tantek]: I'd like to help with https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started It hasn't been that long since I went through the information. I think what would help is to leave the intro and pull out each section into a different page, and then link to each step from the getting started page. That page is sooo overwhelming, but if it were used as a hub, linking to other pages, it'd be a lot easier to follow and work through for a newbie
cupparex at 2025-12-02 16:35
You could also make it semi-opt-out where upon first run (or upon usage after a week?) you show a "please help support this project" message/alert like that with a bunch of checkboxes but only the "telemetry" one checked by default and all the others there unchecked. Then the user can decide sure that's reasonable, or maybe they want to donate their time/money differently
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:34
When placed in that sort of contract, of a donation / support for the project, that helps tell the user a story about why they're doing it to feel good about giving back
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:31
A second option is to figure out a broader request for "please help support this open source project in one or more of the following ways: telemetry, bug reporting, feature requests, donations etc"
[tantek] at 2025-12-02 16:31

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